how many champions on a pedigree

carole · #1 13th May 2003, 06:09 AM

How many champions would you expect to see on a dogs pedigree. The one I have is a five generation and has 62 names.
Star has 14 champions on it. The ones she has are from good well known kennels. Would like to know what the average is for a boxers pedigree.

Matt S · #2 13th May 2003, 05:16 PM

I'm not sure what the average would be but I'm guessing the number would vary quite a lot.
The pedigrees we have for Ali & Eric are both for 4 generations (30 dogs).

Eric has 20....Eric's Pedigree

Ali has 19....Ali's Pedigree

Alisha Mobley · #3 13th May 2003, 09:50 PM

I'm guessing it will be different for different countries...from what I understand it's not as easy to finish a dog in the UK as it is in the states (and it doesn't seem easy over here!). So I'd guess that you'll see less Champions in a (well bred) UK Boxer's pedigree than you would in a (well bred) NA Boxer's.

carole · #4 14th May 2003, 02:08 AM

On erics pedigree you have CH Jenroy Pop My Cork to Walkon.
Star has him on her mothers side back to the last generation on the pedigree.

JulieM · #5 14th May 2003, 07:43 AM

Absolutely. A smaller number of Champions in a pedigree means a lot more in the US/Canada than it does in other countries. Debbie explained the difficulties of showing Boxers in the UK and down under, but what she didn't mention is that dogs who have already achieved their Championship are competing for the same CC as dogs who have not. (In the US and Canada, once a dog has earned it's Championship, they no longer compete for the points.)

And, of course, there are a fair number of Champions in the US and Canada that are not great representatives of the breed. However, if you're buying a pet, you at least know that the breeder of those Champions is having their stock evaluated. If you're buying a show/breeding prospect, you'll want to look not only at Champions (or other titleholders) but at SOM/DOM/LOM producers as well.

Alisha Mobley · #6 14th May 2003, 07:48 AM

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England can have upwards of 250 boxers entered per show.
The number of show boxers in England per capita, far outweigh America. This makes it extremely difficult to make a boxer up before he is classed as a veteran.
They have no points system as such, but are only required to obtain 3 challenge certificates for a championship status.

I've also read that in the UK there are far less Championship shows per year compared to NA per year, giving you less chances to show and finish your Boxer.

Alisha Mobley · #7 14th May 2003, 08:01 AM

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but what she didn't mention is that dogs who have already achieved their Championship are competing for the same CC as dogs who have not.

A good point!

I've often wondered if very many bitches finished in the UK while Misty was showing...only 1 bitch will receive the CC per show and from the looks of Misty's record you'd think she took it each time she competed!

Kysha · #8 14th May 2003, 09:10 AM

This thread caught my attention and I pulled out Owen and Tegan's pedigree's and found the following:

Tegan has 25 champions in her pedigree (Tegan is a Canadian Champion too!). 9 Canadian only champions, 11 American and Canadian champions, 5 American only champions, 10 SOM, and 4 DOM. This was as of 1996, there could have been more DOM and SOM obtained since then.

Owen has 21 Champions in his pedigree. 12 Canadian only champions, 7 American and Candian champions, and 2 American only champions, 9 SOM, and 2 DOM. This was as of 1999, there could have been more DOM and SOM obtained since.

I find pedigrees in general so interesting.

boxer-newbie · #9 30th May 2003, 08:40 PM

Mine has 30 names, 4 generations and 15 champions, 8 SOMS, DOMS, LOMS.......also is a SOM different then a SOMC?

Cash's pedigree

JulieM · #10 30th May 2003, 09:07 PM

SOMC is a Sire of Merit in Canada.

Moonshadow · #11 31st May 2003, 09:10 AM

Those pedigrees also change with time. We checked Nalas recently to see if any of the ones on her pedigree acquire a new title. We found lots of changes.

Bustersmom · #12 31st May 2003, 11:53 AM

For all the champions in a pedigree it really means NOTHING
if the dog bred has NO health testing done.

who cares if it is a champion if it can't make it past its 4th birthday????

The value of a good breeder is one who works hard to better the breed for everyones benifit.

health
temperament
AND
structure.