Breeding?

[JAVI]

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[BoxerBubbles]

we're not allowed to discuss breeding on this siteand not being mean here,but if you have the "lack of knowledge" still,i would highly reccommend learning FIRST

[gmacleod]

Originally Posted by BoxerBubbles

we're not allowed to discuss breeding on this site

Of course you can discuss breeding on this site. What you cannot do is promote irresponsible breeding. So if you don't want to invest in showing your dog, and proper screening for genetic diseases, then you'll find that promoting breeding anyway is a quick ticket off the site.

But if you want to learn, then people here will do their best to help you. At least as far as what you need to learn, and what the health issues are. It is best to find a responsible breeder (in the flesh) to mentor you in the practicalities.

[JAVI]

Thank you very much gmacleod. I erased the thread because I did not want problems or to get kicked off the site. I am intrested on how to do this the right way. That is the reason that I asked.

[JAVI]

What I wanted to know is if in order to breed do you have to show the dog first. I was intrested in getting a puppy from a breeder who says that he has the papers showing the helath testing of sire and dam. He also has the Pedigree of both and says that they have both been shown. I didnt get into the specifics since I plan on meeting this gentleman in person. I was just wondering if I would have to show the pup before I breed him even though his parents have been shown and won. Thank you.

[gmacleod]

Yes, of course you do. Or if not, then have him evaluated by someone qualified to do so (which in effect means a judge, or several experienced show breeders).

Thing is, just because his parents were shown and presumably were good examples of the breed - that does not mean that all of their offspring are likewise good examples that are correct to the breed standard. Out of every litter, you're lucky if there are a couple of puppies who are show potential. The rest are not. And show potential is less than breeding potential.

It's just the same for health screening. Unaffected dogs can have affected offspring. Therefore, it is not enough for the grandparents to have been screened for aortic stenosis and hip dysplasia, the dog you're actually considering breeding has to be screened and found clear.

A dog only becomes breeding potential after he has been successfully shown (that is, assessed against the breed standard by someone qualified to do so). And only breeding quality after he has been screened for genetic disease. Having parents who were shown, or were tested is really not very relevant.

[JAVI]

Thank you very much. I understand now, pretty much the safest way to know that you are not doing any damage to the breed is to go ahead and show them to make sure that they are up to par and of coarse health test. Thank you very much.

[gmacleod]

Exactly

We're none of us impartial enough to assess our own dogs (the term "kennel blindness" didn't arise for no reason), and most of us don't have the experience to do so either. That's why an impartial expert is required. And that's actually the sole reason dog showing exists - for the assessment of potential breeding stock. And on the health issues - well, obviously we need specialised tests for that. It's not that onerous, but it is very very necessary.