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Old 02-08-2001, 05:36 PM
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Well,

I know a lot of you have been eagerly awaiting updates on Sabine and her brood, but other than in chat I have been with puppies doing my level best to salvage something out of what has been a disaster

We have 4 puppies left, and we have had to fight like demons to have these 4. Of the 9 live puppies (out of 13 delivered) 5 developed secondary infections (i.e. pneumonia) from the kennel cough they contracted from their mother. These 5 have passed to the bridge despite exhaustive efforts.

The 4 remaining have been well for 4 days now, and apart from one that still has what I hope is just a residual cough are now thriving.

I added the bit about Aspiring breeders to the subject line in order to bring to the attention of prospective breeders just exactly what type of heartache and work *can* be involved when all doesn't follow the script.

From day 1 this litter has been on antibiotics, Clavulox (Amoxycillin with Clavulinic Acid). This involved using very small doses, 0.1 ml, having to be made up individually and dosed twice a day.

When it was apparent that Clavulox was not arresting the infection a second antibiotic was introduced, Flagyl (Metronidazole). Now Flagyl only comes in 200 mg tablets, that's the smallest. The puppies were to have 20mgs each twice a day. But that's what was prescribed so that's what we did.

The puppies were also prescribed Ventolin (Salbutamol), a bronchodilator, to try and open their lungs. This has to be given via a nebuliser with a tiny peadiatric mask held over the face of each puppy.

They were living in a "humidicrib" which was a crate covered over with a sheet with a steam vaporiser running to aid in breaking down mucous.

At 2 weeks of age the first of the puppies to get critically ill went downhill badly. He went into such bad respiratory distresss, that he was coughing blood, unable to breathe and not eating, other than by tube feeding. This little fella, with all his mated were shipped back off to the vet for review. He died as the vet was examining him. One of his brothers was at this time heavily consolidated in the lungs so he was kept at the vet, on oxygen with a tiny little IV in his little leg. He passed to the bridge hours later.

Post Mortem and culture of lung tissue of the first puppy showed we were battling E. COli, Klebsiella, Bordatella and Parainfluenza. That's 3 bacteria and 1 virus, not a very easy battle to win. Normal Kennel cough consists of just Bordatella and Parainfluenza. Sensitivity showed that these bugs were sensitive to Clavulox but not Flagyl so that one was ceased while the Clavulox was increased to 3 times daily
A mucolytic, Bisolvon, was added to the Rx at this time. 1/10th of a tablet to each puppy twice a day.

At 2 weeks and 3 days, a third puppy went downhill. He was breathing in a very laboured way, was constipated from metabolic stasis and dehydrated. It was at this point we had to start with giving fluids subcutaneously (under the skin). So that was 10 mls of sterile Hartmanns solution injected into 4 sites (2.5 mls each site) to each puppy, whenever dehydration was apparent. The third puppy regressed further and we made the decision to have him euthanised as his suffering was too hard to bear.

2 more puppies took turns for the worse. Further results from cultures showed that some of the bugs were sensitive to Gentamycin so the puppies were commenced on Gentamax. Another injection, 0.1 ml, intramuscularly. Not easy on puppies that are sick and have very little musculature.
So we now had 6 puppies on Ventolin, Gentamax, Clavulox & Bilsolvon. They were now having fluids intraperitoneumly (straight into the stomach cavity) and were still in the mist tent and having Ventolin. Those that could came out for a feed off Sabine and those that couldn't were bottled or tubed.

Despite this the 2 ill puppies passed on as well. Both were euthanised.

So we were now down to the 4 we have today, little Bianca and her 3 brothers, Timmy, Mac and Midget as they have been dubbed.

These 4 have been "well" for 4 days now and are being weaned off medication. They are eating well, have been started on their BARF diets and are running around playing, spending time in the sun. Despite their illness they are still big puppies for their age and weigh in at about 2.2 kgs each at 4 weeks. They have even been started with Clicker Training.

So although this account is very clinical in nature it is necessary I feel, for people who may want to breed to get an idea of what time, love, effort and money have to go into breeding at different times. This is one of the bad times. There can be others.

This all started with simple Kennel Cough. A fairly innocuous, easily treatable disease in an adult dog but lethal to puppies, they can go down in hours.

During this period we had temperatures in Sydney of over 40 Celsius. We had puppies running temperaures that needed to be cooled but at the same time kept warm. Catch 22!

The secondary infection was virtually unavoidable as the bug E.Coli is a normal flora (resident) of the bowel. Mother cleans babies bums to make them poo and then licks their faces. E. Coli will live in a rectum and cause no problems but once in a respiratory tract.......well. Klebsiella is an opportunistic organism that comes to the fore in weakened immune states. It causes pneumonia. These puppies certainly fit this bill.

So all in all it has been a terrible 3 weeks. Many a tear has been shed and we have endured much suffering.

But I still consider to have won this "war" even though many battles were lost. We still have 4 very beautiful, hopefully now healthy and certainly stronger puppies. Sabine has settled. She didn't want anything to do with the sick babies. This is nature, it's not to be judged badly.

In closing I will say this. I am not in the business of trying to put people off. If people choose to breed, they can do so. But it is a privilege, not a right to undertake. The responsibility is huge, the rewards are many and great but the pitfalls can be heart breaking.

A little education goes a long way in this world. I hope I have provided some.

Thankyou all for your support and prayers, I'm sure they have helped with Mac, Timmy, Midget and Bianca, They will all be cuddled by me on your behalf.

See you in chat Boxerchat

Matthew

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Old 02-08-2001, 05:49 PM
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I'm so very sorry, Matt. If any one is not willing to go the dstance like you did, they certainly don't need to breed. Every possible backyard breeder in the world should read this post!
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Old 02-08-2001, 05:50 PM
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Thanks for the update!

Matthew,
Thank you so much for the complete update on Sabine and her litter.

I am heartbroken to hear of all the puppies that were lost.

I'm crossing my fingers and hoping these 4 will remain "healthy" and have won the battle over the viruses.

Although I've never considered breeding, it is great to get such a first-hand look at what COULD happen.

I am happy to leave the breeding in the experienced hands of people like you!
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Old 02-08-2001, 06:30 PM
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WOW. What a mess. That is very tough. Thank GOD that when I had breed Dino she and her puppies (all 10) were fine. I used to work in a pet store when I was a teen, and I saw a lot of pets get distemper. They got sick quick and they died quick. I guess that is the only good thing, that they died quick. It is very sad and you wish that you can do more but somehow when you exhaust every once of energy and help all that you can, that it is just not enough. They will go on and run for the first time without illness, pain or discomfort and be truely happy as soon as they arrive in heaven. You will, see them again in there perfect little bodies. : )
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Old 02-08-2001, 06:52 PM
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What an ordeal, so full of heartbreak for you all. Thank goodness all your efforts paid off with four strong puppies. Like the others, I commend you for sharing your story, and I'm so very sorry for what you've endured.

So many people want to have "just one litter", to show their children the miracle of life. They should read this first, and spare their children the possibility of such a heartwrenching, traumatic experience. The miracle of life is too often accompanied by the "miracle" of slow, agonizing death, despite the best of care.

A close friend of mine who breeds Corgis, and does all the testing and line selection she can do, just went through a similar experience, losing 3 of 6 pups over the course of three weeks. They were under the care of several vets, no money was spared, yet they couldn't save them. The post mortems suggested they had nothing infectious, but had abnormally shaped soft palates which led to aspiration pneumonia. She was in tears and looking ragged every day for about a month, as were her husband and three daughters.

Thanks again for your post. I'm sure it was difficult for you to write.
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Old 02-08-2001, 06:57 PM
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Matt,

You are a saint! I don't know how you could possibly have gone through such an ordeal without losing it. I'm sitting here crying just reading your post. My hat is certainly off to you, my good man!

I'm sorry that so many little ones didn't survive. But, hopefully now the worst is over and the 4 remaining pups will grow and thrive and be loved and cherished by a caring owner.

Thanks for the update. I hope you can get some rest soon!

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Old 02-08-2001, 07:20 PM
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Matt I am truely sorry for the loss of the puppies. You are one hell of a man to go to such great lengths for these little guys. I will say my prayers these 4 will stay happy and healthy. You need a serious nap right about now
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Old 02-08-2001, 09:35 PM
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I am so so sorry to hear the sad news. It sounds like it has been a really exhausting time for you. I hope that the four remaining puppies will continue to thrive.

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Old 02-09-2001, 09:26 AM
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The loss of your pups is heartbreaking. I can't imagine what you've been through. You did everything possible to save them, I do know that. I wish I had some magic words to make it all better for you.

I'm glad the remaining 4 are on the upswing. I wish you the best. Your message to prospective breeders is loud and clear.
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Old 02-09-2001, 01:14 PM
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I wish I was closer I would of tryed to helped you somehow its hard, and overwhelming for one person to be with so many little souls at once... 4 isnt bad your only one person and its so sad about the pups but if i could of lent a hand I would of...
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