Sale Contract

MissAsh · #1 08-26-2009, 09:59 AM

My boyfriend and I are about to buy a boxer puppy. (Born Aug 15th)
The breed seems legit, and they all seem healthy.
I just learned about all the health screening the parents should have, so I plan to ask her about that. She isn't listed on the AKC website, but her parents are registered. I've also met other owners/dogs of her previous liters and they are in good health.
We are planning to visit the puppies this Sunday (They'll be two weeks old), and plan on meeting the parents, and just checking everything out.

Regardless of her having the parents tested, I'm afraid we already plan to get the puppy (Unless something is very wrong). My boyfriend has his heart set on this, and I can't change his mind otherwise. I'm kind of stuck, but we are both fully prepared for what lies ahead.

My only concern is.... I asked her about having a written/typed contract and she said she did not have one.
I'm working on making my own contract right now, and I'm having some trouble putting everything I need together on it.
Especially since I want it to be specific to the breed.

So I'm hoping I can have some help.
I know most of what I need to put on there, but I might need some help on wording it. If that makes sense.

I thought if anyone had a contract available already..?

Thanks so much for all your help.
Hope nobody thinks less of me for buying a boxer puppy whose parents might not having all the testing done. =(

BxrMommieNAZ · #2 08-26-2009, 06:32 PM

Well what you would put in it would depend on what she offers. Does she offer a 2-3 year guarantee on health or is it "it breaks you bought it" type? Will she take the dog back if you ever cannot keep it? Does she guarantee against genetic issues (such as hypothyroism) for any amount of time? Does she require the puppy be spayed/neutered if it's a pet only pup?

I truly don't mean this offensively, but the contract won't do you a bit of good and is really pointless to have unless she actually has guarantees. If she has guarantees then put those in there and you should be fine. My contract or the wording of it won't do you any good if she doesn't provide a 2 year health guarantee because that's written into my contract, my breeder also required I neutered him as he is white, she also stated she required I return him to her if I ever could not keep him anymore...if your breeder doesn't offer this then the language of my contract would be pointless.

And I wouldn't tell you to not get a puppy, but if she does not do genetic testing on them PLEASE do not purchase this puppy. I know you said your boyfriend has his heart set which is fine, but find another puppy that comes from good breeding stock with a responsible breeder. Honestly, if your breeder does NOT offer a contract, they are more than likely a backyard breeder which please you want to stay away from. Do a search on backyard breeders here and there are TONS of heartbreaking stories on why you want to stay away from them. Typically the "something very wrong" happens 3, 4, 5, 6 years down the road unfortunately.

If you want a contract, that's GREAT, but your BREEDER needs to make up that contract for you and include what she guarantees and requires from you. That isn't something you should be making up when you may or may not know what she guarantees and requires.

ehayes21 · #3 08-26-2009, 07:26 PM

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Originally Posted by MissAsh

Hope nobody thinks less of me for buying a boxer puppy whose parents might not having all the testing done.

Umm, yeah it sounds like you already know better..

If you have just learned about all the health screening the parents should have...Then you should stop right there. AKC doesn't mean squat...If they cannot provide you with Holter, Hip and Thyroid results, then do not buy this pup. You will only be putting money into the hands of a backyard breeder who is not doing this breed any justice. Making up your own contract is not going to protect you from your pup from dropping dead at the age of two from cardio because the breeder didn't test. Besides, a reputable breeder will already have their own contract in place...because they care about what happens to their dogs offspring. You are NOT stuck, why not hold out for a responsibly bred pup?

Caney Creek · #4 08-26-2009, 08:05 PM

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Originally Posted by MissAsh

Hope nobody thinks less of me for buying a boxer puppy whose parents might not having all the testing done. =(

Sorry but I have to agree 100% with ehayes here. You are saying that you already know about the health testing that should be done on breeding dogs... but you're choosing to ignore that because you want a puppy now. God forbid that puppy does end up with a genetic condition, I assure you, when that happens you will NOT feel so "prepared" for such a financial and emotional burden. Please keep in mind that the 2 very common health issues in the breed are heart conditions which can cause sudden death, even in very young dogs.

As for the contract, I really don't see any point in writing up one of your own, because if it isn't in the breeder's contract already then you're out of luck.

Please reconsider buying from this breeder and instead find a puppy from a reputable breeder. Purchasing a puppy should not be such a hasty decision. Not only do you risk dealing with numerous health problems that will at the very least cost you a lot of money, but you will also be supporting unethical breeding practices by purchasing from a breeder who does not perform health testing.

Please read this thread, all the way through.
Backyard breeding - the consequences

EAO76 · #5 08-26-2009, 11:55 PM

The advice you have been given so far is right on. I just want to add that there are so many Boxers dying in shelters & waiting in rescues. Why not forgo the BYB (which clearly she is if she doesn’t have a contract) and save a life. I encourage you to search petfinder.com for an orphan in your area. There is nothing like the love of a boxer that knows it’s been given a 2nd chance. And Rescues occasionally get puppies too!

MissAsh · #6 08-27-2009, 09:32 AM

I already know breeder offers a lifetime, yes a lifetime guarantee on her puppies, including genetic health issues. She does take them back if I cannot keep it.
I emailed her about the testing this morning, I should hear back by tonight.
I've also emailed some boxer rescues in the area, asking about the breeder.

I'm well aware of what a backyard breeder is, both of my chihuahua's are BYB rescues.
I'm also VERY well aware of costs of medical problems, I work as a nurse for a veterinary clinic. Both a 24 hour emergency trauma center and another routine practice. I know the common health issues of Boxers.

I appreciate the help.

BxrMommieNAZ · #7 08-27-2009, 01:33 PM

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Originally Posted by MissAsh

I already know breeder offers a lifetime, yes a lifetime guarantee on her puppies, including genetic health issues. She does take them back if I cannot keep it.
I emailed her about the testing this morning, I should hear back by tonight.
I've also emailed some boxer rescues in the area, asking about the breeder.

I'm well aware of what a backyard breeder is, both of my chihuahua's are BYB rescues.
I'm also VERY well aware of costs of medical problems, I work as a nurse for a veterinary clinic. Both a 24 hour emergency trauma center and another routine practice. I know the common health issues of Boxers.

I appreciate the help.

I've NEVER heard of a breeder, even a top notch reputable breeder offering a lifetime guarantee on health issues, you may want to truly look into this, not to mention then in your next sentence you say you e-mailed her about the testing, how can she offer a lifetime guarantee on genetic health issues if you don't even know if she does genetic testing.

And I still state that any breeder that does not have their own contract is a backyard breeder.

BYB doesn't have to be the scumb of the earth that many people associate with the term, it applies to anyone who takes a male and female dog that are not genetically tested, health tested, temperament tested, that were not shown in the ring and won conformations, to prove that they are the best of the best in breeding stock. A BYB can simply have 2 pets that they love, that have puppies, puppies live in the house are well cared for but no money goes into the proper health testing, they do not have sale contracts, they do not show their dogs. It doesn't have to be simply the scumb that let their dogs go at it all of the time and live in filth like many associate with the term.

EAO76 · #8 08-27-2009, 03:40 PM

So she offers a VERBAL lifetime guarantee…that makes no sense. How can she have a guarantee if she doesn’t offer a contract? That is an oxymoron.

BxrMommieNAZ · #9 08-27-2009, 03:47 PM

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Originally Posted by EAO76

So she offers a VERBAL lifetime guarantee…that makes no sense. How can she have a guarantee if she doesn’t offer a contract? That is an oxymoron.

I completely agree. What's to stop her from 8 years down the road telling you to go pound sand? You'd have nothing in writing to back anything up and she'd be free and clear.

ehayes21 · #10 08-27-2009, 04:33 PM

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Originally Posted by BxrMommieNAZ

I completely agree. What's to stop her from 8 years down the road telling you to go pound sand? You'd have nothing in writing to back anything up and she'd be free and clear.

Ditto to this.