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Old 06-20-2006, 06:41 AM
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Puppy from newspaper

Hello,

As I mentioned in a previous post, I have put down a deposit for a litter due in 2 weeks. The puppy will end up costing $750-850 from a breeder I know is reputable. My girlfriend thinks I am crazy for paying that much, as her friend has a 1 year old healthy male with a great personality that she got for $350 out of the paper. After repeatedly hearing that I can spend half the money and still get a puppy from AKC parents with no health problems, I am not sure what to do. What is the recommended choice? I realize I can still ask the same questions to anyone through the paper, but I assume it's just a higher risk of getting a dog that may have health issues? I need to make up my mind here soon so any help is appreciated! Thanks.
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Old 06-20-2006, 06:51 AM
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Keep in mind that most breeders will NOT return deposits so you already have that money comitted I went through the same thing when Roxy was ready to come home there were a few litters of puppies that were half the price that I was paying for Roxy i was tempted to call and get one of the others instead but I am soo glad i stayed with Roxy
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Old 06-20-2006, 06:56 AM
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The old saying rings true "you get what you pay for". A reputable breeder who's done all the appropriate health testing isnt selling those pups out of the newspaper for starters (most of not ALL people who place newspaper ads for pups are backyard breeders).

yes, you can get a great family dog for cheap BUT you run the risk of losing that dog to death earlier than you really want to.

What your paying isn't at all high..not around here.

If it were me, I'd stick with the reputable breeder that you have the deposit with.
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Old 06-20-2006, 07:05 AM
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The puppy will end up costing $750-850 from a breeder I know is reputable.
Playing devils advocate: Just how do you know they are reputable?

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After repeatedly hearing that I can spend half the money and still get a puppy from AKC parents with no health problems
First of all, AKC is only a registration service. Being AKC parents provides no warranties or guarantees for anything, most certainly not health problems.


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What is the recommended choice?
The recommended choice is to stay the course. Your girlfiend is the crazy one....not you. You can ask both breeders to provide you documented evidence of health testing and their results. Whoever can provide you this information is clearly the better choice.


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Old 06-21-2006, 12:35 PM
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800$ isn't alot for a boxer at all. I have seen them (flashy ones) over 1000$ and even 1500.00.
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Old 06-21-2006, 10:04 PM
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Maybe you should visit the thread about back yard breeders. That might give you some useful feedback as well.

http://boxerworld.com/forums/showthr...k+yard+breeder

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Old 06-24-2006, 10:47 AM
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My heart goes out to you all !

I visited the thread about byb and what sad stories and so many of them! My heart goes out to you all who have been burned by back yard breeders. I think that the buyer should be very critical in choosing a puppy, the slightess thing that appears to be wrong should not be ignored. We got Maisie Lynn from a byb. The mother and siblings were all on site for us to view and hold. We did not meet the father- we were shown a picture of him. We received a picture of the male and female and their names and where they were from when we picked up our little one . The mother was clean and healthy looking and the puppies too. The environment was clean and nice looking. The owners were clean looking, and seemed caring. I saw vet bills and was given the vet's telephone number. All this is not a guarantee but it helps to eliminate future problems. Maisie Lynn is a healthy 15 month brindle boxer. She has regular check ups and will have one next week. I am always looking out for the best food I can buy her and I am carefull about the treats she gets. She gets a lot of daily excercise, is socialized and went to obediance classes. My vet has known that I may breed Maisie Lynn once and he has a client who has a male that I may be interested in. If Maisie Lynn continues to have great check ups then we will breed her. If not then that's ok and we'll get her fixed. I don't think that all byb are all bad. There is always at least one bad apple in the bag. Would I buy again from a byb, Yes but after reading the previous stories I'd be even more carefull and demand more information than I had previously.
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Old 06-25-2006, 08:19 AM
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If Maisie Lynn continues to have great check ups then we will breed her.
Vet check-ups mean very little as far as breeding suitability goes. You need to be concerned about her genetic health, which means seeing specialists, as general practice vets have neither the knowledge nor the skill to assess these things. Ignoring genetic health means you have a very good chance of producing puppies that will drop dead when they're 2-3 years old - is that really something you want to do?

You also need to choose a stud dog for a reason other than he's also a client of your vet - the whole point of breeding is to create dogs that look and act like Boxers are supposed to, while improving the overall health and longevity of the breed. To do any less is to harm the breed.

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I don't think that all byb are all bad.
Of course they are - that's part and parcel of the definition of a BYB. Certainly they're not all evil, and they're not all malicious, and they're not all intentionally harming the breed - but they are harming it, but ignoring such important things, and so they are "bad" for the breed as a whole.

For future reference, though, remember that we only support responsible breeding at this site; until and unless you do the proper testing and send the details of your breeding program to the administrators, you are not to discuss any breeding plans you may have on this board.

 
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Old 06-25-2006, 08:37 AM
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I don't think that all byb are all bad.
I do. Call me obtuse, but BYB are labeled BYB for a reason.

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The mother was clean and healthy looking and the puppies too.
Looks can be deceiving. Health issues aren't always apparent by outward appearance.

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I saw vet bills and was given the vet's telephone number.
General practice vets don't normally test for the genetic health issues that affect boxers. Things like hip dysplasia, cardiomyopathy or thyroid issues aren't conditions that are easily detected at general health checkups. Only experienced breeders, who have the best interest of the breed as a whole, know what to test for and seek out specialists to pre-screen their animals.

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If Maisie Lynn continues to have great check ups then we will breed her.
And who will check her to determine that she looks and acts like a boxer should look and act like? Health testing is very important, but equally important is that we preserve that boxers should look and act like the breed we know and love. BYB destroys what many people have devoted decades of their lives to preserving.


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My vet has known that I may breed Maisie Lynn once and he has a client who has a male that I may be interested in
Once or a hundred times, it still makes you a BYB. Ask yourself why you want to breed her. If it isn't because you feel she will make a considerable contribution to the breed as a whole, then you are breeding for the wrong reason.

The above quote happens to be #5 on the top 6 reasons people give for breeding: #5 "The Vet says my 'boxer' is gorgeous and should be bred"

Further: "Most vets have no personal knowledge of any one breed and are hardly good 'referral' points for breeding standards. As nasty as it sounds, a pregnant female is money in the bank for them if you are a good owner. I'd hardly take the word of someone about to make several hundred dollars from the experience WITH no particular investment."

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Old 06-25-2006, 10:34 AM
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As GoCougs said, looks can be deceiving. Before I was well-informed by this site and knew about BYBs, I bought my Rocky. I think his breeder thought she was doing things the right way and she was a sweet lady, but I think she would be labeled an "upscale BYB". She really loved Boxers, but apparently bred for looks and to fit the standard, but did not do all of the genetic testing.

I think this because my Rocky is gorgeous (well, at least to me) and fits the standard very well, but after having X-rays (for a broken fibula), it was found that the shape of his hips is undesirable and he is likely to have hips problems with age. You would never know that by looking at him.
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