Oversized boxers (off topic, moved)

hosschampa · #1 08-05-2009, 02:01 PM

This is in no way to criticize other peoples boxers here on this site, but I own a Beautiful Boxer pup that just turn 5 months old Sunday and he is 48lbs and 21 1/2" inches tall. His father was beautiful and weighed 90lbs and had 26 champions in his pedigree. Everyone talking about standards and disqualifications because of size. Well, I would almost venture to said that 90 percent of all Boxers sold are not within standards in terms of all around structure and what the Standard goes by. My puppy has a beautiful square head and great structure, but just a little big! I heard one women on here telling this one women that she bought her dog thru a BYB and her dog was big for the Standard. Then I see the album pics of her Boxers. Wow, they were way off the Standard in terms of Head structure. Just saying that size is not the only disqualification for a boxer.

dyson · #2 08-05-2009, 05:40 PM

I'm not one to pay too much attention to these arguments revolving around size. First of all, there is NO disqualification for Boxers over the height standard; especially the males: the AKC clearly states that balance & structure is of optimum importance. As far as weight goes for the AKC standard? That was TOTALLY removed years ago, so there is NO weight disqualification either. Guys, re-read your standard, O.K.? Your male very well may be structurally correct & have a beautiful head & wind up at 90 pounds or so. That's absolutely fine, but.............

A lot depends on the lineage of your Boxers - particularly what countries their lines primarily come from. YES, there IS a distinction between American lineage Boxers & lineage of European-bred Boxers. Euro Boxers are very much WORKING dogs - most with working titles prior to being bred. They are generally slightly shorter or about the same height)s) as Boxers here, but vastly broader & have heavier heads and MUCH heavier bone. European Boxers are also shown very differently in the ring overseas wherein the dogs stand & face each other - ready for sparring; tails & ears always intact. European's emphasis is on working ability in Boxers ESPECIALLY Schutzhund & a 45 pound female bred here would not likely make the grade there.

American bred Boxers are tall, slim, (in my opinion, too "delicate" looking) and bitches have weighed in as little as 40 to 45 pounds. Again, in my opinion, hardly the hearty, beefy, "war dogs" used by the military & police forces earlier in the 20th Century. The Americans like the more long - legged or lanky dogs & that is what you need to win in the USA show ring here. You may own a magnificent Euro-type Boxer (which I personally LOVE) but lots 'o luck dragging him/her to conformation shows. It's currently not what American Boxer breeders & judges fancy (for the most part) at the current time.

Now PLEASE do not take offense. This does NOT mean that American bred Boxers can't excel in things such as agility, aren't great with kids, & don't make an intelligent & wonderful companion -- as they very much do. What I am talking about here is primarily protection type work (what the breed was originally developed in Germany to do) & size. There is simply NOTHING WRONG with a good breeder breeding fully health-tested & well-tempered Boxers wherein their studs are 80 to even 90 pounds & bitches running about 65 to 75 pounds. As a matter of fact, that is the RULE & NOT the EXCEPTION in many European countries.

My entire point is: Yes, if you want to win in the ring in the USA, you want a 70 pound or so maximum male & a 55 poundish bitch. But again, as far as "disqualification" from the ring for larger dogs -- it will NOT happen, however, your dog will likely just never place here without MAYBE a renowned professional handler & thousands of dollars spent traversing the entire nation on a regular basis in order to achieve their conformation title -- if they ever even could.

So yes, I'm on the poster's side!! You may own a beautiful & good sized male & that's O.K. They are just as much Boxers as anyone elses - providing they were purchased from a reputable & knowledgable breeder.

Now, as far as the breed being termed a medium sized dog? That's a pretty relative term. Wiemeraners are termed that as well & they reach height at the withers up near 28 inches. Beagles are also termed "medium" sized & they max out at 15 inches!!!!!!!!! Another example? Rottweilers. They're termed "medium-large" by the AKC & males can weigh as much as 130 POUNDS!!! Does a Beagle look about the same size to any of you as a Weimeraner?? I think all this debate on size here based upon the AKC alone is ridiculous. Enjoy your smaller Boxers & your large Boxers, all!!!

**gmacleod** · #3 08-06-2009, 03:56 AM

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Originally Posted by hosschampa

This is in no way to criticize other peoples boxers here on this site...

But you give a pretty good impression of it when you hijack someone else's thread, that has nothing to do with breed standards, disqualificatons, oversized dogs, or BYBs, and use it to rant about what poor specimens you think some other people have

Since this topic has nothing whatever to do with the thread it was posted in, it has been split off to a thread of its own. Please do not hijack other people's threads with alternative topics (which is rude and inconsiderate), instead start your own thread if you have some new topic you want to discuss.

BxrMommieNAZ · #4 08-06-2009, 12:59 PM

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Originally Posted by hosschampa

This is in no way to criticize other peoples boxers here on this site, but I own a Beautiful Boxer pup that just turn 5 months old Sunday and he is 48lbs and 21 1/2" inches tall. His father was beautiful and weighed 90lbs and had 26 champions in his pedigree. Everyone talking about standards and disqualifications because of size. Well, I would almost venture to said that 90 percent of all Boxers sold are not within standards in terms of all around structure and what the Standard goes by. My puppy has a beautiful square head and great structure, but just a little big! I heard one women on here telling this one women that she bought her dog thru a BYB and her dog was big for the Standard. Then I see the album pics of her Boxers. Wow, they were way off the Standard in terms of Head structure. Just saying that size is not the only disqualification for a boxer.

Yet your Boxer is still a PUPPY and there is no way to tell if he is going to be large or not. My boy was 52 pounds at 6 months old, at over 2 years he is now between 63 and 65 and is done growing. His father was around 80 pounds, mother was 60, both on the larger side, from a good reputable breeder, and yet he's a bit smaller. He started out larger (like your boy) but really never gained any size past around 8 months old.

It is WAY TOO SOON for you to believe your boy is big or small for the breed standard as you have no idea what will happen 18 months down the road.

You are right in that size is not the only disqualification, but it's still an important factor to a certain degree.

I guess I'm just a little confused as to what the point of this thread is. ??

Caney Creek · #5 08-06-2009, 01:31 PM

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Originally Posted by hosschampa

Everyone talking about standards and disqualifications because of size. Well, I would almost venture to said that 90 percent of all Boxers sold are not within standards in terms of all around structure and what the Standard goes by. My puppy has a beautiful square head and great structure, but just a little big! I heard one women on here telling this one women that she bought her dog thru a BYB and her dog was big for the Standard. Then I see the album pics of her Boxers. Wow, they were way off the Standard in terms of Head structure. Just saying that size is not the only disqualification for a boxer.

I don't know what thread you had originally posted this in but I don't know where you are getting that everyone seems to have a preoccupation with size. It appears you're pretty new to the site... stick around for a while and you'll see that's not ALL we talk about

And there certainly is NO need to point out flaws in other peoples' boxers just because they failed to mention every little disqualifying feature of their dog. If overall adherence to the breed standard was not the original topic of discussion then that's probably why the poster didn't feel the need to address every little thing that's "wrong" with their dog.

oscarsmuumy · #6 08-06-2009, 01:47 PM

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Originally Posted by BxrMommieNAZ

I guess I'm just a little confused as to what the point of this thread is. ??

I'm with you on this one, but then my Oscar is purely a pet, being both white and deaf. However he does come from a great line of champions, which I only think is important for the health and personality side of him. I guess the breed standard is important to some, I think its what's inside that is just as important as looks.

BxrMommieNAZ · #7 08-06-2009, 02:06 PM

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Originally Posted by oscarsmuumy

I'm with you on this one, but then my Oscar is purely a pet, being both white and deaf. However he does come from a great line of champions, which I only think is important for the health and personality side of him. I guess the breed standard is important to some, I think its what's inside that is just as important as looks.

I have to 2nd this. I also have a white boy and a backyard bred definitely not breed standard rescued girl, but she is as sweet as sugar and has made a wonderful family dog, even though there's no way she should have ever been bred and could never win a show title. Same goes for my boy who passed a couple of years ago.

tbone · #8 08-07-2009, 08:37 AM

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Originally Posted by oscarsmuumy

I'm with you on this one, but then my Oscar is purely a pet, being both white and deaf. However he does come from a great line of champions, which I only think is important for the health and personality side of him. I guess the breed standard is important to some, I think its what's inside that is just as important as looks.

I have to 3rd this... I LOVE MY FAT BOXER!!!!!!! He is totally a BYB boxer, but he is the most WONDERFUL PET I could have ever asked for! He was not going to be a show dog when I got him, so "breed standard" never really mattered to me. All that matters is that he is a great dog and I love him

buddys · #9 08-10-2009, 12:04 PM

My guy is about 75 lbs and thick boned around 2 yrs. He was found hanging on a fence by his back paw and is slightly crippled. From his look, he probably had a nice set of papers, but I don't have them, and really don't care. He's the big baby of the family.

sargboxerluv · #10 08-10-2009, 01:37 PM

I'm not sure what the point of this thread is either because size is not a disqualification. The only disqualifications are color other than fawn or brindle and flash exceeding one-third of the entire coat. Size might be a judge preference, but that's it.

My Harely Girl has the beautiful "boxed" face of a purebred boxer, a perfectly centered white srtipe, she is 50 lbs, and she stands in the conformation pose all the time. But she is our baby, not our show dog. We don't need a title to know she is the perfect bed hog!