[BoxerGiggles]

Thanks for the reply guys

x19er - were your dogs hectic and boistrous though - did they have issues? Our boy is great indoors - although hectic and over the top lively! but out side - well he is just a nutter! he has other dog issues - although more dominant big dogs, he doesn't seem to like things being picked up i.e my yorkie if i pick him up, if we walk past people and they have their child on their hip etc he barks!

Did you have any sort of issues where you thought it would not be at all possible?

(yes bruce has been through obedience training, and managed to reach gold - its not his obedience that is the problem, it the loose wires that seem to be in his head)!!!