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Old 20th February 2007, 12:07 PM
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Re: White boxers - what's wrong?

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In response to the 86 pups, that was over 5 years
That's, if possible, even worse. Seven litters in five years. Absolutely disgusting. That is beyond exploitation, it's flat-out abuse.

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The FCI states that white is only a fault not a DQ like AKC. I know a few that have shown FCI or will be soon.
Countries whose respectable registries use the FCI standard also stamp 'Breeding Forbidden' on the pedigrees of white Boxers, so they cannot participate in shows. They don't need the disqualification. It is only in the 'alternative' organizations here in the US where that loophole exists.

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Please understand that I have only bred MY BRINDLE and MY FAWN dogs once in 4 years, both dogs were cleared of having any genetic problems
Then you'll be more than happy to provide the details of this testing, as is required before you are permitted to discuss your breeding practices.

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Please do you have the link to this "scientific" evidence? Because of course you have evidence not just bias info from rescue groups.
Of course. Here's a site with quite a bit of information on deafness in dogs and cats, including papers, studies, seminars, etc.:
http://www.lsu.edu/deafness/deaf.htm

Here is a very small sampling of the many scientific studies done on pigment-associated congenital sensorineural deafness in dogs:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/q...=pubmed_docsum
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/q..._uids=10803651
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/q...=pubmed_DocSum
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/q..._uids=14623147
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/q...=pubmed_docsum
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/q..._uids=10684693
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/q...=pubmed_DocSum
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/q...=pubmed_docsum
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/q...=pubmed_docsum

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BTW whites don't lack pigment only albinos do. Whites may lack the pigment cells in the inner ear
So whites don't lack pigment, but they may lack pigment? No one is saying that whites are 100% pigment-free; they do, however, lack pigment in some areas (the white ones, for a start) and if one of those areas happens to be the inner ear, they will be deaf.

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I also guess its OK to breed 2 flashy together? When you have a very high chance of producing an entire litter of whites.
Hardly a "very high" chance of producing an entire litter of whites. Chances are very high, in fact, that you will *not* produce an entire litter of whites, but rather a litter of which 75% of the puppies are colored.

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Its also being said that whites have less issues,
It may be "being said", but it is not remotely true. Whites are just as prone to genetic health issues - AS, ARVC, HD, hypothyroidism - as their colored littermates. None of these are color-related traits. *In addition* to this, whites are more prone to deafness.